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the VIP sections that I don't think it's

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very accurate he says he's in a place

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with green trees and flowers in fact on

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this episode you're gonna hear from a

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medium who's really really good and I

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somebody I really rely on in terms of

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after-death communication research and

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that's dr. Julie bow shell so she's been

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tested and certified at the highest

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level and that's really cool because it

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means you can ask her anything and she

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has all the answers right well not

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exactly but you can still ask her

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anything you can ask her all these deep

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big-picture questions and here's some of

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the stuff I asked her you know the other

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thing like you said did you ask me

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anything and it's like I was preparing

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for the cinder ground I can like this is

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kind of insane in a way I mean I'm

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our relationship to time but then I've

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simultaneously switch over to another

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topic and talk about near-death

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experiences a lot of my questions here

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that there wasn't any kind of quid pro

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big things going on in my life as the

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she connects with my father on the other

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side spirit form if you believe all this

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me out here what are you doing I'm kind

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of praying to you to help me and there

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here's the point what would you expect

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put yourself in that scenario what would

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you expect this medium who was a woman

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comforting what would you expect her to

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if you said okay she's gonna say some

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standard stuff what would you expect her

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saying what do you mean it's I'm

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when she said that I nearly fell off my

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chair because that's my dad that's my

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part of medium readings that is hard to

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about the data that data is great the

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researcher dr. Julie by shal confirming

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that this stuff happens after death

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significant that's great but what really

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they have this kind of connection but

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free there's no pay while there's no ads

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so many of you have become friends real

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friends and in a much deeper way than

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many of the people I know in my life but

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that connection that community is what

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it's all about to me and I haven't

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community or promote that community but

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I want to try again to do that so what

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connect and I'm gonna have a big easy

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way to do that if you visit the

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skeptical website at sk EPT Iko and you

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can join the newsletter and it isn't

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really a newsletter it'll just be a way

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a way to connect and if you don't want

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skeptical forum it's just kind of a way

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level rather than kind of take this

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because you owe me because I subscribe

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connection thing so I'm asking you I'm

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reaching out to you come on reach back

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first experience they ever did do you

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baby that was a surprise and all these

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died being in perfect health and what

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psychic or something like that to find

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that we had lived in that I had lived in

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prior and so long story short she sends

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saying hey do you remember her you know

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caste and all of a sudden this murder

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went wow what a sad story and I closed

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moving back and forth and around I could

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just seeing things and losing my mind as

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skeptic myself so she started talking to

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me and I was like okay and okay if I'm

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making this up let's go for it we'll

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video playing and I could see in my mind

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this whole murder like I was floating

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above watching the whole thing and she's

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like narrating it as words she's showing

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it to me and then I was kind of like

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okay I don't know what to do with this

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thank you and then I just was like I'm

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going to bed because this is just so

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weird and she wouldn't leave my bed she

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wouldn't leave my bedroom and she kept

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saying you have to call the police so

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the next day very reluctantly I I called

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the I went back to that article and

283
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found out what police department was and

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called them up and said hey you're gonna

285
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think I'm nuts but and I left this on a

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voicemail message because they did not

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answer the type of fitness of the phone

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I said I think I just spoke to this

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spirit of this murdered girl and I had a

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phone call back in five minutes come on

291
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and we're going to put the handcuffs on

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you which is difficult right well I mean

293
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the first thing I told them I said yeah

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I'm just I'm a mom you know

295
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I have a job and my mom I go I don't

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even know what I'm doing I go but this

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girl showed up and I go yeah I know

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you're gonna think I'm crazy and of

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course the first thing they said was you

300
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know well what did she say and I said

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well she told me you haven't found her

302
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head yet and the minute I said that

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because nothing was in the article about

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how she was killed then they said we

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want to meet with you and so that

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afternoon I met with them in the parking

307
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lot of a target a local target and they

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had a whole file on me with my picture

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and they wanted to know all this

310
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information about me and because they

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thought I knew things I guess that no

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one else knew and so of course they

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thought I would be there a part of the

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murder or I knew who the murderers were

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and so yeah from basically I drove them

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about 15 miles around this lake and

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pointed out areas that she claimed

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information and that she was in the car

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showing me where to drive and they ended

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up finding her body parts in one of the

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locations and so then they really

322
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thought something but they had no proof

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that I was involved and from that moment

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on she told everybody on the other side

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I could hear her and see her and then

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they all started showing up and then it

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was like okay so what's going on and I

328
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so I was at my job and I would start

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seeing spirits of people standing behind

330
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you know the store owners and people

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following people and I could tell the

332
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difference between spirit and a real

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person and yeah I just kind of went

334
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crazy from there and it became my life I

335
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I mean I loved my career I had I really

336
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didn't want to leave my career but after

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three years of doing both I actually

338
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ended up leaving my career because I was

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kind of going insane trying to do both

340
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but yeah and it's basically been my

341
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career ever since I mean that was 16

342
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years ago and it's been an amazing ride

343
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and it's you know was very hard at first

344
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it kind of takes over your body and your

345
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mind and you know spirits are very

346
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persistent but it's very rewarding

347
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I've learned a lot of crazy things like

348
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you can you know set hours and have

349
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boundaries and which I didn't know

350
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either I mean I seek the help of other

351
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psychics of I don't know what I'm doing

352
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and can you help me and you know they

353
00:15:15,449 --> 00:15:12,399
were like nope this is your thing you

354
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need to do this but I anyway yeah it's

355
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been a crazy wonderful ride and I talk

356
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to the dead every single day for

357
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thousands of people and I you know I'm

358
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kind of on a mission right now to teach

359
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other people to do what I do and to open

360
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up their god-given gifts because it's

361
00:15:37,710 --> 00:15:34,839
really needed because it creates a lot

362
00:15:40,139 --> 00:15:37,720
of healing and um but it's been really

363
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fun the one question I guess is an

364
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awesome story I've studied the psychic

365
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detective kind of phenomenon on the show

366
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and have actually done some sessions I

367
00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:51,970
did an extensive kind of interview with

368
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a skeptic guy who we both investigated

369
00:15:59,400 --> 00:15:56,439
this case and we interviewed the police

370
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detectives and the psychic detective and

371
00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:01,239
was really pretty interesting thing we

372
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did years ago I have to ask was the case

373
00:16:08,340 --> 00:16:06,279
resolved for the police were they able

374
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to solve the case because a lot of

375
00:16:12,499 --> 00:16:09,790
people don't realize just because you

376
00:16:14,489 --> 00:16:12,509
give them valid information doesn't

377
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necessarily mean they can solve the case

378
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in this instance were they able to no no

379
00:16:23,929 --> 00:16:21,160
no they were not able to solve it I

380
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thought that I was meant to solve it and

381
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later to just realize I really wasn't

382
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meant to solve it the biggest issue is

383
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weed I searched for a year and a half

384
00:16:38,039 --> 00:16:33,569
for her head we never found her head and

385
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I sketched the three men that did it and

386
00:16:42,900 --> 00:16:41,079
they ended up validating about eight

387
00:16:45,119 --> 00:16:42,910
months later that they were the three

388
00:16:49,889 --> 00:16:45,129
men that they thought had done it but

389
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one of the men who's now dead one of the

390
00:16:55,199 --> 00:16:52,929
men was an attorney and once they had

391
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alibis and one of them failed a

392
00:17:03,329 --> 00:16:57,939
polygraph but the problem was is with no

393
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witness with no weapon and they were

394
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missing some DNA they could not pin them

395
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on this you

396
00:17:14,750 --> 00:17:11,200
though they knew to a point where one of

397
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the detectives literally two years ago

398
00:17:19,950 --> 00:17:17,350
called me up and said hey I'm retired

399
00:17:22,350 --> 00:17:19,960
now but I can't stop working on this

400
00:17:24,990 --> 00:17:22,360
case like I have to see closure

401
00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:25,000
will you help me one of them have one of

402
00:17:28,020 --> 00:17:26,410
them died and I want to see if you can

403
00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:28,030
contact him and he'll tell it give you

404
00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:32,290
more information and yeah and I was like

405
00:17:35,460 --> 00:17:33,850
and he brought the key still had the

406
00:17:38,250 --> 00:17:35,470
case and we had breakfast and he showed

407
00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:38,260
me the case and everything long story

408
00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:41,770
short is I I could not get the guy to

409
00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:44,290
come to me the spirit would not come to

410
00:17:50,730 --> 00:17:45,490
me he didn't want to tell me anything

411
00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:50,740
and so no and so many people in you know

412
00:17:55,500 --> 00:17:53,170
criticized and said oh yeah she solved

413
00:17:57,930 --> 00:17:55,510
the case or she thinks she did or what

414
00:17:59,700 --> 00:17:57,940
no I didn't get solved and just because

415
00:18:02,700 --> 00:17:59,710
I mean given information doesn't mean

416
00:18:03,660 --> 00:18:02,710
I'm solving I have solved their missing

417
00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:03,670
persons cases

418
00:18:11,370 --> 00:18:06,130
that I got closure and we found the

419
00:18:12,900 --> 00:18:11,380
bodies but no this never was solved well

420
00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:12,910
that's interesting isn't it I mean

421
00:18:18,510 --> 00:18:15,610
there's a lot to kind of unpack there in

422
00:18:19,710 --> 00:18:18,520
a million different ways but let me kind

423
00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:19,720
of take it in a slightly different

424
00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:22,570
direction because so a lot of people

425
00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:25,330
hear that story and they'll have all the

426
00:18:29,100 --> 00:18:27,490
reservations that people have about all

427
00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:29,110
this stuff and then it's added

428
00:18:33,780 --> 00:18:31,510
compounded by the fact like he said that

429
00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:33,790
people get hung up on well then why you

430
00:18:38,010 --> 00:18:35,170
know if she could communicate with you

431
00:18:39,630 --> 00:18:38,020
why didn't she say this and that and I

432
00:18:42,510 --> 00:18:39,640
don't even want to go there necessarily

433
00:18:44,820 --> 00:18:42,520
because those are kind of these level 1

434
00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:44,830
questions that I've handled over and

435
00:18:48,030 --> 00:18:46,240
over and over again over the years and

436
00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:48,040
if people want to they can go back and

437
00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:50,290
listen to all those previous shows and

438
00:18:54,780 --> 00:18:53,170
my interviews with dr. Julie by Sholem

439
00:18:56,730 --> 00:18:54,790
Bridge Institute and all that stuff but

440
00:18:59,310 --> 00:18:56,740
one question I wanted to ask about Wynn

441
00:19:01,170 --> 00:18:59,320
bridge I know her testing process is

442
00:19:03,210 --> 00:19:01,180
really extensive and I've heard from

443
00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:03,220
other mediums who have gone through it

444
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:04,960
that it's just incredibly rigorous what

445
00:19:09,450 --> 00:19:07,360
was it like for you being quote/unquote

446
00:19:11,540 --> 00:19:09,460
tested is that something you wanted to

447
00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:11,550
do and what was it like going through it

448
00:19:18,330 --> 00:19:15,520
yeah well you know I find myself up for

449
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:18,340
when she was with dr. Gary Schwartz and

450
00:19:23,470 --> 00:19:21,890
then way back at the very beginning huh

451
00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:23,480
back at the very beginning because I

452
00:19:27,730 --> 00:19:26,000
this is a safe I'm a skeptic and even

453
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:27,740
though I do what I do it took a lot for

454
00:19:31,660 --> 00:19:29,090
me to believe that I was doing what I do

455
00:19:35,290 --> 00:19:31,670
I thought I was making it all up it took

456
00:19:39,220 --> 00:19:35,300
a lot of validation and I really wanted

457
00:19:41,740 --> 00:19:39,230
to go a step further and and I get more

458
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:41,750
proof if you can actually get more proof

459
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:44,810
and so I signed up to do it and then my

460
00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:46,640
father became ill and I had to move him

461
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:48,230
in and take care of him so I dropped out

462
00:19:52,510 --> 00:19:49,850
of the program because I didn't have the

463
00:19:55,900 --> 00:19:52,520
time but then Julie started up Lynn

464
00:19:58,690 --> 00:19:55,910
bridge and I you know saw that and I

465
00:20:01,180 --> 00:19:58,700
thought you know I have fine now so I

466
00:20:02,770 --> 00:20:01,190
really wanted to do it I call I you know

467
00:20:04,330 --> 00:20:02,780
I emailed her and said hey I really want

468
00:20:07,570 --> 00:20:04,340
to do this I think that was the last

469
00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:07,580
medium brought on and it was it was

470
00:20:12,010 --> 00:20:10,130
extensive I mean I didn't find it hard

471
00:20:15,780 --> 00:20:12,020
it could be intimidating it's it's

472
00:20:19,300 --> 00:20:15,790
complete blind study so it is she is

473
00:20:23,170 --> 00:20:19,310
incredible at the way she does the

474
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:23,180
process of keeping everything you know

475
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:25,490
completely under wraps we don't know

476
00:20:30,010 --> 00:20:27,530
anything sometimes we don't even hear a

477
00:20:33,660 --> 00:20:30,020
voice we don't even know a name we don't

478
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:33,670
know anything and I've actually flown in

479
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:36,650
to where Winn bridges and done some

480
00:20:41,410 --> 00:20:39,050
testing through like blood analysis and

481
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:41,420
things like that as well and we don't

482
00:20:46,210 --> 00:20:44,290
even get results those are all

483
00:20:49,210 --> 00:20:46,220
confidential so we don't even get the

484
00:20:53,140 --> 00:20:49,220
results all I know is whatever I did in

485
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:53,150
the process of you know what she puts us

486
00:20:57,670 --> 00:20:55,730
through I passed and became one of the

487
00:21:00,070 --> 00:20:57,680
research mediums and it's a fantastic

488
00:21:02,740 --> 00:21:00,080
process that she has and it's really a

489
00:21:05,530 --> 00:21:02,750
wonderful Institute and it's for a great

490
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:05,540
cause and you know even to this day and

491
00:21:12,190 --> 00:21:07,280
I've been doing this for 16 years I

492
00:21:13,930 --> 00:21:12,200
still question everything and I want to

493
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:13,940
say to you Pete when you and made the

494
00:21:19,150 --> 00:21:16,490
comment that you don't want to go there

495
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:19,160
because people think that spirit is

496
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:21,170
supposed to don't have all the knowledge

497
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:22,730
and why aren't they giving us the

498
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:25,250
information I kind of like to go there

499
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:27,530
because this is the thing we have

500
00:21:32,110 --> 00:21:30,410
mediums we don't have all the answers we

501
00:21:33,940 --> 00:21:32,120
don't know why they give us what they do

502
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:33,950
and why they don't give us what they

503
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:34,770
won't

504
00:21:40,370 --> 00:21:37,200
um we just we're just here to receive

505
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,380
and we're lucky we get anything and you

506
00:21:44,570 --> 00:21:42,240
know spirit from what my understanding

507
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:44,580
few years and years of doing this now is

508
00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:46,080
they don't have all the answers either

509
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:50,910
and so yeah maybe it wasn't solved and

510
00:21:55,310 --> 00:21:53,250
maybe it's for a reason there wasn't it

511
00:21:58,340 --> 00:21:55,320
wasn't supposed to be solved you know I

512
00:22:01,490 --> 00:21:58,350
had heard that there was possibly family

513
00:22:04,430 --> 00:22:01,500
involved and there was you know there's

514
00:22:06,410 --> 00:22:04,440
reason there's reasons and I'm that is

515
00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:06,420
something to me creator only knows his

516
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:08,130
reasons and I may never find out those

517
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:11,730
reasons so you know it it's a good

518
00:22:17,630 --> 00:22:14,730
question for people to ask why is spirit

519
00:22:20,450 --> 00:22:17,640
not giving me all the details believe me

520
00:22:23,810 --> 00:22:20,460
I've had screaming matches arguments

521
00:22:25,610 --> 00:22:23,820
with the spirits themselves of why and I

522
00:22:28,010 --> 00:22:25,620
still don't always get all the answers

523
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,020
and that's you know that's just that's I

524
00:22:32,650 --> 00:22:30,240
guess called fate but you just have to

525
00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:32,660
go with what you get well that's really

526
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:35,220
interesting too and I'm glad you brought

527
00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:39,810
that up where I've tried to go with this

528
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:41,700
thing and I've been at it for a long way

529
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:45,210
is try to blend in the best we have of

530
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:47,130
science and I put science and the air

531
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:49,770
quotes there because so much of the

532
00:22:55,910 --> 00:22:52,490
science we have is tied to this very

533
00:22:58,700 --> 00:22:55,920
mechanistic materialistic nonsense that

534
00:23:00,770 --> 00:22:58,710
completely isn't looking at this but

535
00:23:02,830 --> 00:23:00,780
then like you like we both said you know

536
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:02,840
Julie's doing good work because she's

537
00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:05,610
handling the the natural doubts that

538
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,460
curious people have in a way that tries

539
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:10,320
to help them purchase from a reason

540
00:23:14,060 --> 00:23:12,930
standpoint and then at this other hand

541
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,070
you know we have to jump over to what

542
00:23:19,450 --> 00:23:15,840
you're saying is saying if you really

543
00:23:21,950 --> 00:23:19,460
want solid kind of lockdown reasoned

544
00:23:23,930 --> 00:23:21,960
answers to all this forget it you're not

545
00:23:26,990 --> 00:23:23,940
going to get that at the end so we're

546
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:27,000
kind of walking in these two worlds and

547
00:23:31,070 --> 00:23:28,650
that's really where I wanted to take you

548
00:23:33,410 --> 00:23:31,080
in this interview because I have a lot

549
00:23:34,970 --> 00:23:33,420
of questions and these are like beep you

550
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:34,980
know the other thing like you said did

551
00:23:38,690 --> 00:23:37,440
you ask me anything and it's like I was

552
00:23:40,820 --> 00:23:38,700
preparing for the cinder ground I'm like

553
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:40,830
this is kind of insane in a way I mean

554
00:23:45,410 --> 00:23:43,410
I'm asking the biggest questions and I'm

555
00:23:48,380 --> 00:23:45,420
just turning him over to Marisa because

556
00:23:51,050 --> 00:23:48,390
she can talk to spirit and therefore

557
00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:51,060
I'm gonna get like all this big big

558
00:23:55,310 --> 00:23:53,310
picture answers like well why should we

559
00:23:58,850 --> 00:23:55,320
expect it to be that simple so of course

560
00:24:00,980 --> 00:23:58,860
it isn't but we shall try so here's for

561
00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:00,990
example you know one of the things that

562
00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:04,260
I investigated pretty early on is like

563
00:24:09,260 --> 00:24:07,080
the work of dr. Dean Radin who is this

564
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:09,270
guy who's done this amazing scientific

565
00:24:14,150 --> 00:24:12,210
work on precognition or presentiment

566
00:24:16,670 --> 00:24:14,160
feeling the future and he has these

567
00:24:18,890 --> 00:24:16,680
great experiments that show no question

568
00:24:21,410 --> 00:24:18,900
that these people in these laboratory

569
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:21,420
settings are able to you know I have

570
00:24:27,260 --> 00:24:24,210
precognitive precognitive experiences

571
00:24:29,450 --> 00:24:27,270
well what the hell does that mean what

572
00:24:33,950 --> 00:24:29,460
does that mean about our relationship to

573
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:33,960
time yeah exactly and that's something

574
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:35,490
that we may not ever get an explanation

575
00:24:41,570 --> 00:24:38,610
on why are we fed bits and pieces and

576
00:24:44,060 --> 00:24:41,580
it's frustrating because people expect

577
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,070
the spirit to be able to give their

578
00:24:48,530 --> 00:24:46,080
address social security number blood

579
00:24:51,530 --> 00:24:48,540
type and you know I I don't know why

580
00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:51,540
they don't that's that's up to them what

581
00:24:55,910 --> 00:24:53,310
a spirit telling you about time and

582
00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:55,920
about the future and about precognition

583
00:25:01,070 --> 00:24:58,410
and what that might mean in terms of how

584
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:01,080
we experience this kind of time strip

585
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:04,650
that we're in well what they tell me is

586
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:07,110
the time there's two different

587
00:25:12,590 --> 00:25:09,570
dimensions there's the other side which

588
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:12,600
is where the souls live and then there's

589
00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:16,290
the human dimension where we are here

590
00:25:22,130 --> 00:25:19,830
three dimensionally and this is what

591
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:22,140
they're telling me is that the time is

592
00:25:30,050 --> 00:25:25,380
much faster over there okay much faster

593
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:30,060
this is a much slower pace here but that

594
00:25:34,790 --> 00:25:32,760
and that they can come and go they can

595
00:25:37,820 --> 00:25:34,800
come and go through the veil if you want

596
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:37,830
to call it you know back and forth from

597
00:25:42,650 --> 00:25:40,770
the dimensions so that's something that

598
00:25:45,380 --> 00:25:42,660
they can do as far as is everything

599
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:45,390
pre-written in the future no no we are

600
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:47,490
given free will I mean look at how bad

601
00:25:51,170 --> 00:25:49,410
we've screwed up our planet I mean we're

602
00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:51,180
given free will to do a lot of things so

603
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:53,640
not everything's pre written in stone

604
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:56,100
it's not like we're in the matrix and

605
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:57,930
we're living out a simulation you know

606
00:26:02,150 --> 00:26:00,960
that's not what it's about at all what

607
00:26:04,690 --> 00:26:02,160
does that say in

608
00:26:07,580 --> 00:26:04,700
how does that relate to the question of

609
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:07,590
reincarnation I've had a great dialogue

610
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,050
with dr. Jim Tucker from the University

611
00:26:15,710 --> 00:26:11,760
of Virginia they've done more research

612
00:26:19,850 --> 00:26:15,720
than anyone on this past life phenomenon

613
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:19,860
as as it relates to particular cases you

614
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:21,450
know and they've done all that but then

615
00:26:26,180 --> 00:26:23,610
I've had other guests on the show that

616
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:26,190
have said you know the our understanding

617
00:26:30,020 --> 00:26:28,650
of reincarnation is again mistaken

618
00:26:31,420 --> 00:26:30,030
because of our misunderstanding about

619
00:26:35,050 --> 00:26:31,430
time and that we're really living

620
00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:35,060
multiple lives simultaneously and then

621
00:26:39,650 --> 00:26:37,500
again the work from the University of

622
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:39,660
Virginia says well no people here are

623
00:26:45,140 --> 00:26:42,450
now experiencing memories of like a

624
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:45,150
direct past life like 50 years ago and

625
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:46,740
here's all the evidence for that what a

626
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:48,690
spare telling you about our relationship

627
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:51,890
to our past lives

628
00:26:59,600 --> 00:26:56,400
okay so spirit shows me that we have one

629
00:27:02,270 --> 00:26:59,610
soul and that soul can inhabit a body

630
00:27:05,030 --> 00:27:02,280
multiple times and multiple lives and I

631
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:05,040
mean it could be hundreds so and we have

632
00:27:11,420 --> 00:27:08,130
soul groups so imagine you're in a soul

633
00:27:14,930 --> 00:27:11,430
group that could be thousands and the

634
00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:14,940
majority of the group is together on the

635
00:27:20,180 --> 00:27:17,580
other side and that dimension getting

636
00:27:23,030 --> 00:27:20,190
ready to incarnate into the earth and

637
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:23,040
take come into another a new life that

638
00:27:27,710 --> 00:27:25,650
what we do is we will reincarnate into a

639
00:27:31,010 --> 00:27:27,720
new life and sometimes we it's the same

640
00:27:33,140 --> 00:27:31,020
players in the game you know we are moms

641
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:33,150
could have been our daughter our father

642
00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:34,770
could have been our husband or you know

643
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:36,900
when a week we exchange roles we have

644
00:27:41,390 --> 00:27:39,450
different themes that we come here we do

645
00:27:43,790 --> 00:27:41,400
why do we come here because we can

646
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:43,800
because we want to learn there is

647
00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:45,930
fascinated with the human life

648
00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:49,860
experience as as we're fascinated in

649
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:51,960
life after death they are just as

650
00:27:57,050 --> 00:27:55,440
fascinated so or shall I say weak weak

651
00:27:59,720 --> 00:27:57,060
because I'm a soul in a human body you

652
00:28:02,000 --> 00:27:59,730
are a solo human body so you know this

653
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,010
is it your first go around so we're

654
00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:03,840
coming back here and new souls are

655
00:28:08,270 --> 00:28:05,700
created all the time I did a lot of I

656
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:08,280
did some channeling to get information

657
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:11,490
about you know a soul can fragment and

658
00:28:17,989 --> 00:28:15,570
create a new soul so that's

659
00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:17,999
new souls come about and there are such

660
00:28:21,469 --> 00:28:20,340
things as new souls you know baby souls

661
00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:21,479
old souls

662
00:28:25,940 --> 00:28:23,700
it just really is about how many times

663
00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:25,950
you've been here I don't believe in

664
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:28,169
parallel life two questions about that

665
00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:30,090
one you don't believe in parallel lives

666
00:28:36,889 --> 00:28:33,419
why and almost more importantly what do

667
00:28:38,509 --> 00:28:36,899
we do with the contradictions where you

668
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:38,519
your because I can tell you and I can't

669
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:39,840
remember off the top of my head the

670
00:28:44,869 --> 00:28:42,570
medium that I talked to but she's PhD

671
00:28:46,729 --> 00:28:44,879
written this book and boom she was like

672
00:28:49,009 --> 00:28:46,739
yeah it's all about parallel lives and

673
00:28:51,769 --> 00:28:49,019
forget about this idea of sequential

674
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:51,779
lives so I'm not saying like you're

675
00:28:56,629 --> 00:28:53,970
wrong or she's wrong I'm just saying wow

676
00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:56,639
yeah but why is there that contradiction

677
00:29:00,409 --> 00:28:58,679
that like and you personally answered

678
00:29:02,930 --> 00:29:00,419
that at the beginning but try and take

679
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:02,940
it again I've had clients tell me that

680
00:29:09,139 --> 00:29:06,330
they're they dream that they have dreams

681
00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:09,149
of them in a parallel life and I the

682
00:29:12,979 --> 00:29:10,710
information I get from spirit when I

683
00:29:15,379 --> 00:29:12,989
thought to guides is that no that's a

684
00:29:17,629 --> 00:29:15,389
past life they're experiencing I don't

685
00:29:20,719 --> 00:29:17,639
believe in parallel lives because we

686
00:29:23,539 --> 00:29:20,729
have one soul and the soul can inhabit a

687
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:23,549
human body at one time it can't have it

688
00:29:30,529 --> 00:29:27,330
a human body that's multiple bodies at

689
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:30,539
the same time it's there and what would

690
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:33,090
be the purpose of having parallel one so

691
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:34,769
having parallel lives that would being a

692
00:29:41,089 --> 00:29:38,090
soul who's having a human life is not

693
00:29:43,099 --> 00:29:41,099
whole there not a complete soul if

694
00:29:45,469 --> 00:29:43,109
they're also experiencing another life

695
00:29:48,139 --> 00:29:45,479
and the thing is is the point is is

696
00:29:50,060 --> 00:29:48,149
there's no proof there's no proof that

697
00:29:51,979 --> 00:29:50,070
that other person you interviewed is

698
00:29:55,940 --> 00:29:51,989
correct and there's no proof that I'm

699
00:29:58,519 --> 00:29:55,950
correct right there's no proof and so I

700
00:30:01,009 --> 00:29:58,529
can only give the information that I've

701
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:01,019
been taught that I've learned or I've

702
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:02,940
experienced that's why I always tell

703
00:30:07,009 --> 00:30:04,710
everybody you know you got to listen

704
00:30:09,409 --> 00:30:07,019
with your heart and you throw away the

705
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,419
rest I don't see the point it'd be

706
00:30:13,249 --> 00:30:11,279
fascinating to have parallel lives

707
00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:13,259
yeah I'd I wouldn't mind having a couple

708
00:30:17,479 --> 00:30:14,460
lines going at one time and I can

709
00:30:19,129 --> 00:30:17,489
compare you know but I I be I can barely

710
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:19,139
handle this life why would I want to be

711
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:20,609
why would my soul want to be in another

712
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,799
life at the same time I don't believe

713
00:30:27,820 --> 00:30:24,960
it's possible and I don't believe that

714
00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:27,830
you're going to find any ancient

715
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:29,340
cultures that

716
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:31,170
gonna believe that either well that's

717
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:32,850
interesting because from my experience

718
00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:35,910
and research I would agree with you that

719
00:30:40,790 --> 00:30:38,700
that isn't something that's common in

720
00:30:42,170 --> 00:30:40,800
all the wisdom traditions let me switch

721
00:30:43,570 --> 00:30:42,180
over to another topic and talk about

722
00:30:46,910 --> 00:30:43,580
near-death experience it's something

723
00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:46,920
again we've done we drove into a lot on

724
00:30:51,530 --> 00:30:48,150
this show because there's some great

725
00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:51,540
science it's emerging out of our medical

726
00:30:55,310 --> 00:30:53,070
technology and our ability to

727
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:55,320
resuscitate people there's more and more

728
00:30:59,020 --> 00:30:57,210
people having near-death experiences

729
00:31:02,570 --> 00:30:59,030
they're more able to be verified

730
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:02,580
medically a lot of my questions here are

731
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:05,010
around this topic of mapping out these

732
00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:07,170
extended consciousness realms I mean

733
00:31:13,460 --> 00:31:11,280
what is the near-death experience from a

734
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:13,470
spirit standpoint what is spirit telling

735
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:16,650
us why do people have those how are they

736
00:31:22,910 --> 00:31:20,130
different from OBE astral travel lucid

737
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:22,920
dreaming this extended realm how does it

738
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:25,490
map out with regard to those different

739
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:30,510
ways of being it's actually to me in my

740
00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:32,610
opinion it's not that different than

741
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:34,590
having an out-of-body experience or

742
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:37,170
astral traveling the thing is is our

743
00:31:43,090 --> 00:31:38,970
soul can leave our body at any time

744
00:31:45,770 --> 00:31:43,100
temporarily at any time so imagine

745
00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:45,780
you're anchored to your v your soul is

746
00:31:49,070 --> 00:31:47,430
anchored to your physical body and now

747
00:31:52,130 --> 00:31:49,080
your physical body is just broken down

748
00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:52,140
and it's actually died okay stop

749
00:31:57,170 --> 00:31:55,080
temporarily functioning your soul is

750
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,180
like I'm out of here okay I'm out of

751
00:32:02,510 --> 00:32:00,000
here and it's usually at a time that

752
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:02,520
it's not an actual death your soul will

753
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:04,890
leave thinking you're going through the

754
00:32:09,860 --> 00:32:08,010
exit process of death and your soul is

755
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:09,870
leaving and all of a sudden you've got

756
00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:11,940
people other Souls around you going

757
00:32:17,630 --> 00:32:14,220
you're not done where you going get back

758
00:32:19,460 --> 00:32:17,640
there and the body is being revived and

759
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:19,470
when the body's being revived it's

760
00:32:25,270 --> 00:32:22,050
almost like a jolt of the soul being

761
00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:25,280
thrown right back into the body so

762
00:32:31,790 --> 00:32:29,340
they're experiencing the process of

763
00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:31,800
death a near-death experience actually

764
00:32:35,780 --> 00:32:34,140
is the soul in the body now if you've

765
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:35,790
asked those people they probably have

766
00:32:39,260 --> 00:32:37,170
not gone through their life review

767
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:39,270
because they've established that they

768
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:40,860
really aren't dead yet

769
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:44,130
the body is still meaning that soul so

770
00:32:48,380 --> 00:32:46,529
that's my take on a near-death

771
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:48,390
experiences the soul is left the body

772
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:50,220
which I mean when you've got Alzheimer's

773
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:52,289
Parkinson's a lot of there's a lot of

774
00:32:57,610 --> 00:32:55,110
diseases where our soul feels so trapped

775
00:33:00,970 --> 00:32:57,620
in that body that it leaves all the time

776
00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:00,980
but there's a difference because it's

777
00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:04,980
not leaving thinking oh my body's dead

778
00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:07,740
I'm now crossing over Marissa what is

779
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,880
spirit telling you about one the kind of

780
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:13,679
again the kind of contradictory idea

781
00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:16,529
that there's this mistake you know which

782
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:18,120
we hear all the time you know people are

783
00:33:21,980 --> 00:33:20,220
on this path and okay they're they're

784
00:33:24,139 --> 00:33:21,990
dead and that's one of the things the

785
00:33:25,610 --> 00:33:24,149
researchers will tell you is from a

786
00:33:27,769 --> 00:33:25,620
medical standpoint it is not a

787
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:27,779
near-death experience it is a death

788
00:33:34,460 --> 00:33:30,600
experience the body is dead and unless

789
00:33:37,159 --> 00:33:34,470
something you know happens medically you

790
00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:37,169
know amazingly they're gonna remain dead

791
00:33:42,860 --> 00:33:39,899
and a lot of times these people report

792
00:33:45,169 --> 00:33:42,870
that they were really content and moving

793
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:45,179
towards you know accepting their death

794
00:33:48,409 --> 00:33:46,799
and many of them go through the life

795
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:48,419
review and go through a lot of the rest

796
00:33:53,389 --> 00:33:51,090
of that and then there's this oh no you

797
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:53,399
got a return thing and I always had the

798
00:33:58,220 --> 00:33:56,010
question of what's going on there I mean

799
00:34:00,139 --> 00:33:58,230
God made a mistake there whoops you know

800
00:34:02,269 --> 00:34:00,149
your time line is up it's like out of a

801
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,279
cartoon or something you know the tap on

802
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:04,320
the shoulder no you need to go back what

803
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:08,330
spirit telling you about that process

804
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:11,970
well what they tell me is that the soul

805
00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:15,839
can't necessarily control the body okay

806
00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:17,730
if the soul could control the body it

807
00:34:22,609 --> 00:34:19,619
could heal the body of cancer it could

808
00:34:24,889 --> 00:34:22,619
do all kinds of things so the soul can't

809
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,899
control the fact that the hearts being

810
00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:26,639
stimulated and wanting to be brought

811
00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:30,179
back and it's my belief from spirit that

812
00:34:36,139 --> 00:34:31,980
our brain takes at least an hour to

813
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:36,149
really die before it's completely dead

814
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:38,250
once the heart is stopped so there's

815
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:40,649
still brain function going on and if

816
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:42,659
that soul is still connected at all to

817
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:45,060
that brain function it can still

818
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,179
communicate so a lot of times the soul

819
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:49,919
really does want to come back and finish

820
00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:52,440
that human consciousness probably

821
00:34:55,970 --> 00:34:54,780
doesn't there's I could see come

822
00:34:57,980 --> 00:34:55,980
back in having a near-death experience

823
00:35:00,740 --> 00:34:57,990
there being great depression because

824
00:35:02,780 --> 00:35:00,750
life's not easy here and when you cross

825
00:35:04,340 --> 00:35:02,790
over your freedom a lot I mean it's like

826
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:04,350
the chains are broken you're freed of a

827
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:07,050
lot so to have to be pulled back into

828
00:35:14,330 --> 00:35:11,450
the body is you know not an easy task

829
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:14,340
but we have control over we can I mean

830
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:16,680
we can commit suicide any time if we

831
00:35:21,490 --> 00:35:19,110
really wanted to end it so we do have

832
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:21,500
control over stopping our physical body

833
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:24,480
okay let's switch gears for a minute

834
00:35:31,220 --> 00:35:28,560
let's talk about entheogen s-- drugs LSD

835
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:31,230
psychedelics that kind of stuff a lot of

836
00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:33,660
people report entering into this again I

837
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,700
call it this extended consciousness

838
00:35:40,270 --> 00:35:37,200
realm but it seems they have a lot of

839
00:35:46,490 --> 00:35:40,280
overlap what is spirit telling you about

840
00:35:48,860 --> 00:35:46,500
that entry into this realm okay a couple

841
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:48,870
things spirit doesn't really recommend

842
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:52,170
the being for example doing this work

843
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:53,850
and being under the influence is not

844
00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:57,210
really a good idea it's good to be more

845
00:36:01,850 --> 00:35:59,940
in mental control but obviously and you

846
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:01,860
say LSD and things like that you're also

847
00:36:08,570 --> 00:36:04,560
talking ayahuasca mushrooms all of those

848
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,580
peyote those experiences it does what it

849
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:10,800
does is it does take the guard down of

850
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:14,930
the ego and allows you to experience

851
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:18,300
something your ego will not come in and

852
00:36:23,540 --> 00:36:20,850
block our ego is a pretty powerful thing

853
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:23,550
I mean it's spirit condoning it not

854
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:27,780
really but can it happen I mean I'm not

855
00:36:30,890 --> 00:36:29,250
sure I'm answering your question is the

856
00:36:32,660 --> 00:36:30,900
question what if they're saying about

857
00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:32,670
LSD is the spirit saying don't do it

858
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,220
they're saying I need this body to

859
00:36:40,460 --> 00:36:37,440
finish out my life don't be doing drugs

860
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:40,470
okay the solar literally like don't be

861
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:42,810
doing drugs but happens is a lot of

862
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:44,610
times souls are a different vibration

863
00:36:48,020 --> 00:36:45,780
than our body and there's a chemical

864
00:36:49,610 --> 00:36:48,030
clash and we become very chemically

865
00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:49,620
imbalanced and what happens we start

866
00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:52,500
self-medicating right and I get that and

867
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,510
I think you have to draw an important

868
00:36:58,610 --> 00:36:56,640
line and distinction there but if we

869
00:37:00,830 --> 00:36:58,620
it's interesting if we take it outside

870
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:00,840
of our culture and it like you did you

871
00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:02,970
know you talk about ayahuasca or you go

872
00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:05,160
down to you know the cultures in

873
00:37:08,370 --> 00:37:07,980
southern Mexico where the magic mushroom

874
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:08,380
was for

875
00:37:12,690 --> 00:37:10,210
discovered and they seem to have a

876
00:37:15,749 --> 00:37:12,700
different relationship to those

877
00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:15,759
chemicals and those substances and use

878
00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:19,150
them in a more I think what we would

879
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:20,950
understand a more spiritually

880
00:37:26,190 --> 00:37:23,529
responsible kind of way does that change

881
00:37:27,390 --> 00:37:26,200
the equation and let me add to that

882
00:37:30,269 --> 00:37:27,400
question because I just interviewed

883
00:37:32,009 --> 00:37:30,279
fascinating woman Jan van ISIL Stein she

884
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:32,019
spent last twenty five years studying

885
00:37:38,670 --> 00:37:35,049
these shamanic people of far eastern

886
00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:38,680
Siberia who are by all accounts just

887
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,180
incredible I mean they live in this

888
00:37:45,029 --> 00:37:42,160
world and the other world at the same

889
00:37:47,370 --> 00:37:45,039
time in constant spirit communication is

890
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:47,380
there a difference in terms of how we

891
00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:50,650
approach entering into these different

892
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:52,200
realms and whether it's through

893
00:37:58,529 --> 00:37:55,599
ayahuasca or whether it's through a drum

894
00:38:00,660 --> 00:37:58,539
ceremony or some other you know being

895
00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:00,670
bit by ants or bees you know which is

896
00:38:05,549 --> 00:38:03,430
also this thing can we really put that

897
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:05,559
moral judgment on it and say no you're

898
00:38:07,620 --> 00:38:06,609
not supposed to eat it you're not

899
00:38:09,660 --> 00:38:07,630
supposed to manipulate your

900
00:38:11,759 --> 00:38:09,670
consciousness to enter these other

901
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,769
realms I'm okay if that's what you're

902
00:38:16,890 --> 00:38:13,839
hearing but I just want to clarify oh

903
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:16,900
I'm Jerry I'm hearing it's okay there's

904
00:38:21,690 --> 00:38:19,210
a difference between there is a

905
00:38:24,450 --> 00:38:21,700
difference between going and doing

906
00:38:27,380 --> 00:38:24,460
recreational drugs because you want to

907
00:38:31,289 --> 00:38:27,390
escape your reality and not be

908
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:31,299
responsible for your actions okay

909
00:38:39,029 --> 00:38:32,890
there's a difference between that and

910
00:38:41,609 --> 00:38:39,039
going and doing a cultural ceremony with

911
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:41,619
inhibitors to be able to be in an

912
00:38:45,180 --> 00:38:43,599
altered state so that your ego can get

913
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:45,190
out of the way and you can maybe hear

914
00:38:49,470 --> 00:38:47,410
the voice of God or you can get

915
00:38:52,789 --> 00:38:49,480
information from spirit those are two

916
00:38:56,970 --> 00:38:52,799
completely different things I condone

917
00:38:59,759 --> 00:38:56,980
ceremonial medicines with caution yeah

918
00:39:02,370 --> 00:38:59,769
that's cool quick follow-up question

919
00:39:04,259 --> 00:39:02,380
about the LJ and again you know I

920
00:39:06,690 --> 00:39:04,269
totally respect where you're coming from

921
00:39:10,170 --> 00:39:06,700
there's no simple answers here but I'm

922
00:39:13,650 --> 00:39:10,180
interviewing Jan about the ultra the OL

923
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:13,660
che again these ancient shamanic people

924
00:39:17,579 --> 00:39:16,210
of Siberia and one of the things she

925
00:39:20,249 --> 00:39:17,589
says hey this is something you'll find

926
00:39:21,550 --> 00:39:20,259
interesting the ol che have all have

927
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:21,560
told me that

928
00:39:27,550 --> 00:39:25,610
don't go bother your ancestral spirits

929
00:39:29,410 --> 00:39:27,560
so this whole medium communication thing

930
00:39:31,420 --> 00:39:29,420
they're like don't do that

931
00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:31,430
the spirits aren't don't want to be

932
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:33,470
bothered they're moving on they're doing

933
00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:35,450
all the rest of this and I even asked

934
00:39:40,450 --> 00:39:37,820
her because I do have enough experience

935
00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:40,460
with talking with gifted mediums like

936
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:42,200
yourself and I said you know what I'm

937
00:39:46,210 --> 00:39:44,090
hearing from a lot of people is kind of

938
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:46,220
the opposite of that is that the spirits

939
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:48,050
have this love connection with us

940
00:39:53,230 --> 00:39:49,970
there's this soul group and they're

941
00:39:56,650 --> 00:39:53,240
eager to when called upon and in the

942
00:39:59,080 --> 00:39:56,660
appropriate way help us in our lives and

943
00:40:01,570 --> 00:39:59,090
further us guiding us how would you

944
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:01,580
resolve that apparent contradiction

945
00:40:08,770 --> 00:40:05,450
they're such a great question because

946
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:08,780
here's the thing okay a culture a

947
00:40:14,860 --> 00:40:12,800
culture is raised to believe that they

948
00:40:17,020 --> 00:40:14,870
respect their ancestors and they want to

949
00:40:19,450 --> 00:40:17,030
allow them to rest in peace and I get

950
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:19,460
that that is a that could be a religious

951
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:21,890
belief a cultural belief I understand

952
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:25,040
that but when you say people say don't

953
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:27,530
don't bother spirit let me just put it

954
00:40:35,620 --> 00:40:33,170
this way spirit bothered me true spirit

955
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:35,630
bothered me I didn't ever go out set out

956
00:40:41,260 --> 00:40:37,910
to say hey I want to contact the day

957
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:41,270
where it came to me for what reason

958
00:40:48,730 --> 00:40:43,610
I may never know the full read answer to

959
00:40:53,790 --> 00:40:48,740
that but they did because they could so

960
00:40:56,170 --> 00:40:53,800
I've never once had a spirit say to me

961
00:40:57,940 --> 00:40:56,180
don't bother me because I'm resting

962
00:41:01,540 --> 00:40:57,950
don't bother me I want to rest in peace

963
00:41:04,780 --> 00:41:01,550
they they come to me they I don't even

964
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:04,790
give them permission and I it's not like

965
00:41:09,070 --> 00:41:07,490
I'm summoning them and and I'm taking

966
00:41:12,010 --> 00:41:09,080
them away from their restful peace

967
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:12,020
they're coming to me and I'm just

968
00:41:18,610 --> 00:41:15,710
allowing it okay so they're the ones who

969
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:18,620
bothered me so if anyone says that what

970
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:21,410
am I supposed to I'm a polite person so

971
00:41:25,810 --> 00:41:24,290
I wouldn't say hey I don't want it I

972
00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:25,820
don't want to bother your Pete you know

973
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:27,950
you're peaceful rest please I don't want

974
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:30,800
to do that so that's just to me those

975
00:41:35,289 --> 00:41:32,930
are cultural beliefs which I totally

976
00:41:38,380 --> 00:41:35,299
respect 100%

977
00:41:40,989 --> 00:41:38,390
and I'm sure one of those Siberian you

978
00:41:42,849 --> 00:41:40,999
know ministers or would never even come

979
00:41:44,620 --> 00:41:42,859
to me for that because they don't

980
00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:44,630
believe in that and that's okay because

981
00:41:50,949 --> 00:41:47,209
yeah I mean you believe system is a

982
00:41:51,579 --> 00:41:50,959
whole nother show exactly exactly okay

983
00:41:53,979 --> 00:41:51,589
great

984
00:41:57,249 --> 00:41:53,989
one more question in terms of mapping

985
00:41:59,499 --> 00:41:57,259
out these extended realms another buddy

986
00:42:01,659 --> 00:41:59,509
of mine through the show Rey Hernandez

987
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:01,669
done some fantastic work through the

988
00:42:07,809 --> 00:42:06,049
Edgar Mitchell free an institute they've

989
00:42:12,669 --> 00:42:07,819
published the most comprehensive survey

990
00:42:15,399 --> 00:42:12,679
of non-human intelligence contact ie the

991
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:15,409
et contact experience they've kind of

992
00:42:21,339 --> 00:42:19,130
compared it with the NDE experience you

993
00:42:24,699 --> 00:42:21,349
know and find a lot of parallels between

994
00:42:27,279 --> 00:42:24,709
near-death experience and this et

995
00:42:31,929 --> 00:42:27,289
contact experience what a spirit telling

996
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:31,939
you about ET contact experience in this

997
00:42:36,370 --> 00:42:34,249
other realm is it different is it a

998
00:42:39,339 --> 00:42:36,380
whole different ballgame is it kind of

999
00:42:42,669 --> 00:42:39,349
in the same space what is spirit telling

1000
00:42:45,219 --> 00:42:42,679
you Oh first of all what I've been told

1001
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:45,229
by spirit is that there are there is

1002
00:42:51,459 --> 00:42:48,079
life on other planets they have souls

1003
00:42:55,299 --> 00:42:51,469
that are using their physical bodies as

1004
00:42:57,759 --> 00:42:55,309
well they also interact in the same soul

1005
00:43:00,189 --> 00:42:57,769
dimension that we do it's not really

1006
00:43:02,019 --> 00:43:00,199
different we can have it soul our soul

1007
00:43:03,309 --> 00:43:02,029
can go have a life on another planet and

1008
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,319
then it can also come back and have a

1009
00:43:08,139 --> 00:43:06,079
life on this planet there's times when I

1010
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,149
have seen spirits show up that didn't

1011
00:43:14,889 --> 00:43:10,880
look human they look something different

1012
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:14,899
so I mean that's the thing I'm being

1013
00:43:19,029 --> 00:43:17,089
shown is that in the interaction is is

1014
00:43:21,189 --> 00:43:19,039
doing what like for example I have

1015
00:43:22,839 --> 00:43:21,199
astral travel to the other side took me

1016
00:43:26,859 --> 00:43:22,849
a while to believe I was doing it but I

1017
00:43:30,669 --> 00:43:26,869
finally got got the rhythm of it and I

1018
00:43:32,499 --> 00:43:30,679
have seen souls walking around that are

1019
00:43:34,089 --> 00:43:32,509
totally different I'm not sure if this

1020
00:43:36,699 --> 00:43:34,099
is your question but yes I do believe

1021
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:36,709
that ETS have sold and I do believe that

1022
00:43:41,259 --> 00:43:38,839
they reside in the other dimension along

1023
00:43:44,739 --> 00:43:41,269
with our souls it's basically the souls

1024
00:43:46,629 --> 00:43:44,749
are sold and they can have lives on in

1025
00:43:47,940 --> 00:43:46,639
so many different dimensions it's by

1026
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:47,950
choice

1027
00:43:54,060 --> 00:43:50,290
I love that that's very succinct let me

1028
00:43:56,730 --> 00:43:54,070
ask a related question about Science and

1029
00:43:59,760 --> 00:43:56,740
Technology because we do seem to be at

1030
00:44:02,720 --> 00:43:59,770
the point with some of our frontier

1031
00:44:06,570 --> 00:44:02,730
science or seem to be at the edge of

1032
00:44:08,430 --> 00:44:06,580
penetrating this realm if you will this

1033
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,440
extended consciousness we have head

1034
00:44:14,910 --> 00:44:11,200
transplant strong AI you know genetic

1035
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:14,920
engineering are we gonna have an iPhone

1036
00:44:20,070 --> 00:44:17,530
app for the spirit world and I say that

1037
00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:20,080
somewhat facetiously the real question

1038
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:22,420
is what is the role what is the

1039
00:44:29,310 --> 00:44:25,140
relationship between technology and

1040
00:44:32,460 --> 00:44:29,320
spirit the relationship is that spirit

1041
00:44:34,890 --> 00:44:32,470
is magnetic and electrical enough that

1042
00:44:37,740 --> 00:44:34,900
they can utilize technology to

1043
00:44:40,530 --> 00:44:37,750
communicate with us we don't really need

1044
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:40,540
a nap but just remember everything

1045
00:44:45,870 --> 00:44:43,359
that's an app is created by man and what

1046
00:44:49,050 --> 00:44:45,880
is you know Mad Men what do we have we

1047
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:49,060
have egos right human humans have egos

1048
00:44:52,650 --> 00:44:50,710
so we're going to be creating the app by

1049
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:52,660
that and there's apps out there that you

1050
00:44:57,660 --> 00:44:55,599
can like you know it you can see a

1051
00:44:59,310 --> 00:44:57,670
spirit walking around or a deem and

1052
00:45:02,040 --> 00:44:59,320
there's there's a most ridiculous thing

1053
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:02,050
but spirit can actually manipulate

1054
00:45:10,050 --> 00:45:05,410
technology to communicate with us at

1055
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:10,060
100% no different EVPs you know I've

1056
00:45:15,390 --> 00:45:12,490
listened to a 15-minute voicemail

1057
00:45:18,089 --> 00:45:15,400
message from a spirit that was after

1058
00:45:19,770 --> 00:45:18,099
they died I mean I've had phone calls

1059
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:19,780
from spear I mean they can manipulate

1060
00:45:25,890 --> 00:45:23,050
all of that I totally accept that from

1061
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:25,900
what I've encountered and researched and

1062
00:45:32,010 --> 00:45:28,770
I guess a related question to that is

1063
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:32,020
when it comes to et it comes to

1064
00:45:36,990 --> 00:45:34,690
civilizations and species that are more

1065
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:37,000
technologically advanced than ours are

1066
00:45:44,430 --> 00:45:41,650
we seeing in some cases that advanced

1067
00:45:45,870 --> 00:45:44,440
technology intersecting with the spirit

1068
00:45:48,030 --> 00:45:45,880
world in terms of you know people are

1069
00:45:51,450 --> 00:45:48,040
having screen memories people are having

1070
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:51,460
you know shape-shifting time travel all

1071
00:45:56,910 --> 00:45:54,970
that stuff I mean are there entities and

1072
00:45:58,290 --> 00:45:56,920
I love how you said ego based because I

1073
00:46:00,580 --> 00:45:58,300
think that's kind of an important

1074
00:46:05,140 --> 00:46:00,590
element of this Arthur

1075
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:05,150
based soul manifestations that have this

1076
00:46:11,770 --> 00:46:08,650
ability technological ability to

1077
00:46:14,830 --> 00:46:11,780
manipulate things in a really really

1078
00:46:16,930 --> 00:46:14,840
advanced way I mean as the question our

1079
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:16,940
et's on other planets more advanced than

1080
00:46:21,790 --> 00:46:19,520
us absolutely I think that sometimes

1081
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:21,800
we're still in the Stone Age they are

1082
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:24,800
more advanced there are other species

1083
00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:27,710
that are more advanced than us but then

1084
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:30,910
they also can cross over to to our

1085
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:34,250
environment to observe I think that

1086
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:35,330
we've gotten a lot of our technology

1087
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:39,770
from ET presents ET contact or even

1088
00:46:46,780 --> 00:46:43,040
channeling that information marisa where

1089
00:46:48,430 --> 00:46:46,790
is God in all of this is there and I

1090
00:46:51,090 --> 00:46:48,440
don't mean that in a real churchy kind

1091
00:46:53,980 --> 00:46:51,100
of way I just made it in this kind of

1092
00:46:56,590 --> 00:46:53,990
hierarchy of consciousness that from my

1093
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,600
investigation seems to pop up I mean

1094
00:47:01,210 --> 00:46:58,880
people do seem to reach the other side

1095
00:47:03,130 --> 00:47:01,220
and say well I'm at this level on the

1096
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:03,140
other side but I know there's this next

1097
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:05,210
level up and I know there's this next

1098
00:47:10,180 --> 00:47:07,040
level up and it seems to be pointing

1099
00:47:13,180 --> 00:47:10,190
towards something that's sounds a lot

1100
00:47:16,030 --> 00:47:13,190
like god I mean where do you come down

1101
00:47:18,370 --> 00:47:16,040
on that whole thing it's really

1102
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:18,380
interesting when you're talking about

1103
00:47:23,860 --> 00:47:20,930
levels and people reaching levels the

1104
00:47:26,820 --> 00:47:23,870
first thing I heard was Scientology and

1105
00:47:29,110 --> 00:47:26,830
it was almost like you're it's like a

1106
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:29,120
Scientology based oh I've got to get to

1107
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,570
the next level but there aren't I don't

1108
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:34,640
believe there are levels that our soul

1109
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:36,890
is trying to elevate to a level you know

1110
00:47:41,890 --> 00:47:40,370
a B C or D god I may not ever have the

1111
00:47:43,390 --> 00:47:41,900
answer like the rest of the human race

1112
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,400
I don't think science is ever gonna

1113
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:45,680
figure out god I just know God I don't

1114
00:47:51,490 --> 00:47:48,800
believe as one person God does not

1115
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:51,500
choose who has cancer who died so this

1116
00:47:58,660 --> 00:47:55,520
or that none of that God was not calling

1117
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:58,670
the shot I do believe that there is an

1118
00:48:05,230 --> 00:48:02,480
energy based creator but can I tell you

1119
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:05,240
who or what that is no what about the

1120
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:07,610
accounts from the Indy years the

1121
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:09,530
near-death experience people that's what

1122
00:48:13,540 --> 00:48:11,210
I was really kind of referring to where

1123
00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:13,550
they say you know one it's about love

1124
00:48:16,539 --> 00:48:14,630
right that's the first

1125
00:48:19,029 --> 00:48:16,549
that comes through it's about love it's

1126
00:48:21,789 --> 00:48:19,039
about this connection even the the life

1127
00:48:23,620 --> 00:48:21,799
review is about oh my gosh now I see

1128
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:23,630
things from the perspective of these

1129
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:25,970
other people that I was encountering and

1130
00:48:32,170 --> 00:48:28,609
and my love and compassion and empathy

1131
00:48:34,329 --> 00:48:32,180
is causing me both pleasure and pain you

1132
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:34,339
know as I see what I've done but they do

1133
00:48:40,269 --> 00:48:38,210
point towards their being this higher

1134
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:40,279
being of intelligence this higher order

1135
00:48:45,819 --> 00:48:44,329
of spirit and I guess I just want

1136
00:48:48,099 --> 00:48:45,829
clarification on that I'm not trying to

1137
00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:48,109
jam you in any one direction but no I

1138
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:50,150
understand I understand completely what

1139
00:48:55,779 --> 00:48:52,160
you're asking and my take on it from

1140
00:48:59,559 --> 00:48:55,789
spirit is that it's not necessarily like

1141
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,569
there's a hierarchy exactly or there's

1142
00:49:04,029 --> 00:49:02,240
not like a panel or a government on the

1143
00:49:06,430 --> 00:49:04,039
other side that God controls or anything

1144
00:49:08,289 --> 00:49:06,440
like that it's all about experience

1145
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:08,299
there's no religion on the other side

1146
00:49:12,609 --> 00:49:10,250
there's a belief and it's love there is

1147
00:49:14,980 --> 00:49:12,619
a feeling and it's love yes do we have

1148
00:49:17,499 --> 00:49:14,990
personalities as a soul yes we do do we

1149
00:49:20,019 --> 00:49:17,509
you know can we criticize yes we can

1150
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:20,029
criticize it's not like all fairy tales

1151
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:22,970
and unicorns on the other side and then

1152
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:26,480
life review is that is not God judging

1153
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:29,599
you that is not anybody judging you the

1154
00:49:36,609 --> 00:49:33,490
life review is your opportunity to learn

1155
00:49:39,759 --> 00:49:36,619
you came down here and just experienced

1156
00:49:41,499 --> 00:49:39,769
a life that had ups and downs and could

1157
00:49:43,499 --> 00:49:41,509
be difficult could be wonderful whatever

1158
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:43,509
it is and now this is your chance to

1159
00:49:49,029 --> 00:49:46,609
actually get me out of a human state of

1160
00:49:51,970 --> 00:49:49,039
mind and be able to experience it as a

1161
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:51,980
soul and it's like it's that learning

1162
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,319
moment it's it is self judgment but not

1163
00:49:58,269 --> 00:49:56,000
it's usually yourself judging yourself

1164
00:50:00,249 --> 00:49:58,279
in a loving way I mean that's the only

1165
00:50:02,940 --> 00:50:00,259
way I can describe it I don't there is

1166
00:50:05,620 --> 00:50:02,950
no judgment there's no hell there's no

1167
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:05,630
creator going man you really blew it you

1168
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:08,569
know there's not you might get over

1169
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:10,160
there and go out okay I could have done

1170
00:50:15,789 --> 00:50:11,210
that better maybe I shouldn't have

1171
00:50:17,230 --> 00:50:15,799
killed him you know so people always ask

1172
00:50:18,849 --> 00:50:17,240
me like where's Hitler I'm sorry

1173
00:50:20,859 --> 00:50:18,859
Hitler's on F soul on the other side

1174
00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:20,869
like everyone else there's no hell that

1175
00:50:24,849 --> 00:50:23,390
he's burning it and people just don't

1176
00:50:27,530 --> 00:50:24,859
understand that they're like well how

1177
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:27,540
can you even say that great well this is

1178
00:50:31,850 --> 00:50:29,310
credible you know like I say I'm

1179
00:50:33,590 --> 00:50:31,860
throwing the the biggest big-picture

1180
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:33,600
questions out here and you're just

1181
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:35,850
knocking them down one after another I

1182
00:50:39,230 --> 00:50:37,680
have one more and then I want to head

1183
00:50:40,910 --> 00:50:39,240
towards wrapping it up because I really

1184
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:40,920
appreciate you spending this time with

1185
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:43,890
me and the final question it's kind of a

1186
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:46,410
little bit off to the side here but what

1187
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:50,010
are we to make of the thought-form thing

1188
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:53,850
the Buddhist tapa thing that everything

1189
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:57,210
is a thought-form we are creating our

1190
00:51:03,170 --> 00:51:01,200
reality by our thoughts continuously and

1191
00:51:05,180 --> 00:51:03,180
you know that when you get into the

1192
00:51:06,740 --> 00:51:05,190
lucid dreaming thing I have a direct

1193
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:06,750
experience with that in terms of lucid

1194
00:51:09,020 --> 00:51:07,110
dreams

1195
00:51:11,570 --> 00:51:09,030
you suddenly realize wow you know these

1196
00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:11,580
dreams I am creating these and then I'm

1197
00:51:15,110 --> 00:51:13,740
living it as I create it and the

1198
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:15,120
Buddhists have said this all along and

1199
00:51:20,060 --> 00:51:17,490
other wisdom traditions have said this

1200
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:20,070
what do you make of this thought form

1201
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:22,650
that we are creating our reality kind of

1202
00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:24,930
thing what a spirit telling you what you

1203
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:26,760
are creating your life that you're

1204
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:30,450
creating is the reaction of your thought

1205
00:51:37,940 --> 00:51:34,050
so I don't believe like if I think I'm

1206
00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:37,950
rich all of a sudden I'm rich okay if I

1207
00:51:42,410 --> 00:51:39,900
think I'm sick all of a sudden I'm sick

1208
00:51:44,330 --> 00:51:42,420
I don't believe we're creating it that

1209
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:44,340
way I don't feel like you can sit back

1210
00:51:48,530 --> 00:51:46,290
and have this daydream of what you want

1211
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:48,540
your life to be like and then the second

1212
00:51:53,570 --> 00:51:50,910
you open your eyes it it magically

1213
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:53,580
appears so there's a fine line I mean

1214
00:51:59,360 --> 00:51:56,250
it's very broad what they're saying but

1215
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,370
I understand in the I understand that

1216
00:52:04,370 --> 00:52:00,960
what it really is we are what we think

1217
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,380
we are and I believe in that 100% you

1218
00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:06,720
know if you think if you think you're

1219
00:52:10,610 --> 00:52:08,910
fat then then that's what you're going

1220
00:52:13,310 --> 00:52:10,620
to perceive yourself as fat if you think

1221
00:52:15,650 --> 00:52:13,320
you're and I get this a lot from a lot

1222
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:15,660
of clients if you think that you are

1223
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:18,180
your life is doomed and you are a victim

1224
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:20,700
and you're never going to have love or

1225
00:52:25,940 --> 00:52:23,130
compassion or a relationship if you

1226
00:52:28,730 --> 00:52:25,950
believe that that is going to happen you

1227
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:28,740
will create that because you believe it

1228
00:52:32,270 --> 00:52:30,690
okay it's no different than when someone

1229
00:52:34,820 --> 00:52:32,280
says you have there's a curse then put

1230
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:34,830
on you there's no curses but if you

1231
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:37,710
believe there's a curse you will live

1232
00:52:40,910 --> 00:52:40,170
your life as if there is you will react

1233
00:52:42,590 --> 00:52:40,920
to everything

1234
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:42,600
that there is and therefore you will

1235
00:52:47,390 --> 00:52:44,880
create it you can create it in your mind

1236
00:52:49,790 --> 00:52:47,400
so I understand what they're saying but

1237
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:49,800
I think that it means it's a more broad

1238
00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:53,370
I wonder how that relates to what we

1239
00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:55,710
started out talking about in the process

1240
00:52:59,930 --> 00:52:57,720
of mediumship and in particular like

1241
00:53:03,560 --> 00:52:59,940
your case of you know it's kind of

1242
00:53:06,140 --> 00:53:03,570
trauma related you're opening up to this

1243
00:53:08,050 --> 00:53:06,150
and boy when you study mediumship that

1244
00:53:10,970 --> 00:53:08,060
comes up over and over again as this

1245
00:53:14,660 --> 00:53:10,980
trauma being this opening and then in

1246
00:53:17,810 --> 00:53:14,670
its kind of worst case there's people

1247
00:53:20,180 --> 00:53:17,820
and in particular our government and

1248
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:20,190
some you know MKULTRA and some other

1249
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:22,290
agencies that have said oh great let's

1250
00:53:26,180 --> 00:53:23,970
try and get into that other realm by

1251
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:26,190
breaking people open by traumatizing

1252
00:53:30,830 --> 00:53:28,590
people abusing people intentionally and

1253
00:53:34,220 --> 00:53:30,840
seeing if we can break into that other

1254
00:53:37,370 --> 00:53:34,230
world I don't think it's gonna work that

1255
00:53:39,620 --> 00:53:37,380
way but trauma does seem to be related

1256
00:53:44,210 --> 00:53:39,630
here in terms of breaking people open in

1257
00:53:46,580 --> 00:53:44,220
some weird way well it can be I mean I

1258
00:53:50,090 --> 00:53:46,590
yeah I'm not gonna say that the death of

1259
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:50,100
my mother and my niece was traumatic it

1260
00:53:54,650 --> 00:53:52,050
was sad but I don't feel it was

1261
00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:54,660
traumatic and I've been I had as a child

1262
00:53:58,820 --> 00:53:56,310
there's been a lot of there was a lot of

1263
00:54:00,440 --> 00:53:58,830
trauma in my life I'd been in a shootout

1264
00:54:01,610 --> 00:54:00,450
when I was a little kid there was lots

1265
00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:01,620
of little things and grew up with an

1266
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,380
alcoholic father and you know here's the

1267
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:06,720
thing Marianne Williamson said it said

1268
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:08,010
it in an interview and I it really

1269
00:54:13,610 --> 00:54:11,220
really clicked for me when she said some

1270
00:54:15,410 --> 00:54:13,620
of the best intuitive psychic training

1271
00:54:16,420 --> 00:54:15,420
is being raised in a dysfunctional

1272
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:16,430
family

1273
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:20,250
so I don't necessarily think it's about

1274
00:54:25,850 --> 00:54:24,480
trauma trauma when somebody that has

1275
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:25,860
trauma what do they do

1276
00:54:31,580 --> 00:54:29,460
number one they slow down right if you

1277
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:31,590
have a trauma traumatic experience

1278
00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:33,210
whether it be physical mental or

1279
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:36,150
emotional you're going to slow down and

1280
00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:38,090
start paying attention to your thoughts

1281
00:54:44,180 --> 00:54:41,400
you're going to start asking why why me

1282
00:54:48,650 --> 00:54:44,190
why did this happen to me so the key to

1283
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:48,660
me to that is slowing down so for

1284
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:53,010
example if you're if I'm like I grew up

1285
00:54:56,910 --> 00:54:54,850
with an alcoholic father I walked on a

1286
00:54:59,640 --> 00:54:56,920
shows my entire life can you imagine the

1287
00:55:04,080 --> 00:54:59,650
training of my having intuition and

1288
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:04,090
having to read my environment 24/7 so

1289
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:06,610
what did that do that caused me to slow

1290
00:55:12,530 --> 00:55:08,770
down and be very aware of in my

1291
00:55:15,420 --> 00:55:12,540
environment aware of what I said aware

1292
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:15,430
of my father's mood

1293
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:20,160
my mother's mood all of that so trauma

1294
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:23,680
slows people down and makes them start

1295
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:29,010
questioning reality the why their belief

1296
00:55:37,740 --> 00:55:33,040
it starts changing how they think and

1297
00:55:39,390 --> 00:55:37,750
feel even if it's anger that to me is

1298
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,400
that I don't think government really

1299
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:41,680
needs to create trauma to get people to

1300
00:55:47,820 --> 00:55:45,490
start you know opening up but that's

1301
00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:47,830
what I believe is happening is the

1302
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:48,910
trauma it's like the near-death

1303
00:55:53,550 --> 00:55:51,250
experience all of a sudden people you

1304
00:55:55,170 --> 00:55:53,560
know Daniel Green chill all of a sudden

1305
00:55:56,970 --> 00:55:55,180
you you know come out of a near-death

1306
00:55:59,850 --> 00:55:56,980
experience and now you feel like you're

1307
00:56:03,470 --> 00:55:59,860
seeing spirit well talk yes you may have

1308
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:03,480
brought some of that with you but also

1309
00:56:08,310 --> 00:56:06,880
that made him he had a second chance you

1310
00:56:10,890 --> 00:56:08,320
know you get a second chance in life

1311
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:10,900
you're gonna start asking why why did I

1312
00:56:15,390 --> 00:56:12,370
get a second chance in life and is it

1313
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:15,400
worth it if i worthy am i worthy and

1314
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:18,010
what am i supposed to do with that to me

1315
00:56:24,330 --> 00:56:22,240
it's about slowing down and slowing your

1316
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:24,340
conscious level down to being more aware

1317
00:56:30,810 --> 00:56:28,210
of every single thing around you once

1318
00:56:33,540 --> 00:56:30,820
people slow down you'd be amazed at what

1319
00:56:36,540 --> 00:56:33,550
you can hear see feel and think Marisa

1320
00:56:39,110 --> 00:56:36,550
what kind of people do you feel like

1321
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:39,120
you're best suited to help you offer

1322
00:56:45,090 --> 00:56:42,880
medium and psychic readings for people

1323
00:56:48,090 --> 00:56:45,100
well what kind of folks are you feel

1324
00:56:50,610 --> 00:56:48,100
like you're best able to help well what

1325
00:56:52,890 --> 00:56:50,620
I do I believe is about healing okay

1326
00:56:54,570 --> 00:56:52,900
it's about healing so I have to get a

1327
00:56:56,310 --> 00:56:54,580
lot of validation in my readings for

1328
00:56:57,630 --> 00:56:56,320
them to even start processing the

1329
00:56:59,550 --> 00:56:57,640
healing or they're not going to believe

1330
00:57:01,770 --> 00:56:59,560
what I'm saying so that to me getting

1331
00:57:03,390 --> 00:57:01,780
validation is very important people seek

1332
00:57:05,860 --> 00:57:03,400
me out because they want to connect with

1333
00:57:08,050 --> 00:57:05,870
someone who died to know they're okay

1334
00:57:09,820 --> 00:57:08,060
and you know to see if they you know

1335
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:09,830
they can still connect with them or they

1336
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:11,690
mad at me or where's the will or

1337
00:57:17,950 --> 00:57:14,720
whatever but also people connect with me

1338
00:57:19,780 --> 00:57:17,960
because why I'll put it this way why do

1339
00:57:21,330 --> 00:57:19,790
people go to psychics because they want

1340
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:21,340
confirmation of what they already know

1341
00:57:26,140 --> 00:57:24,530
so when somebody already has a feeling

1342
00:57:28,540 --> 00:57:26,150
about something but they're not sure how

1343
00:57:30,910 --> 00:57:28,550
to choose or make for get an answer

1344
00:57:33,340 --> 00:57:30,920
they'll go to somebody who's a psychic

1345
00:57:35,340 --> 00:57:33,350
because if they sit there in silence and

1346
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:35,350
all of a sudden this total stranger out

1347
00:57:40,830 --> 00:57:38,480
of their mouth says exactly what they

1348
00:57:42,970 --> 00:57:40,840
were thinking or exactly about the

1349
00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:42,980
decision they have to make all of a

1350
00:57:47,770 --> 00:57:45,110
sudden it becomes more real to them it's

1351
00:57:49,180 --> 00:57:47,780
that second validation of I'm going in

1352
00:57:53,580 --> 00:57:49,190
the right direction or I'm going in the

1353
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:53,590
wrong direction so I think for me if

1354
00:57:58,720 --> 00:57:56,090
it's about healing if people want

1355
00:58:00,520 --> 00:57:58,730
healing healing with connect you know

1356
00:58:03,490 --> 00:58:00,530
connecting with somebody that has passed

1357
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:03,500
there you know grieving a lot of

1358
00:58:07,390 --> 00:58:05,210
therapists and their grief clients to me

1359
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:07,400
to be able to have that connection with

1360
00:58:14,050 --> 00:58:09,710
the deceased to have hope that we do go

1361
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:14,060
on or to get some guidance from their

1362
00:58:19,930 --> 00:58:17,690
guide to help them make better decisions

1363
00:58:22,180 --> 00:58:19,940
so they can live their best life that's

1364
00:58:25,660 --> 00:58:22,190
another thing I work with people's

1365
00:58:28,990 --> 00:58:25,670
guides because we have guides and that

1366
00:58:32,830 --> 00:58:29,000
can give them insight to directions they

1367
00:58:36,130 --> 00:58:32,840
need to change or keep going or

1368
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:36,140
eliminate people in their life or create

1369
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:38,690
you know careers create relationships

1370
00:58:42,940 --> 00:58:40,250
those are the kinds of that's basically

1371
00:58:46,810 --> 00:58:42,950
what I do is I communicate with spirit

1372
00:58:47,140 --> 00:58:46,820
for people Marisa do you still do any of

1373
00:58:49,710 --> 00:58:47,150
that

1374
00:58:51,970 --> 00:58:49,720
psychic detective work if people have

1375
00:58:53,260 --> 00:58:51,980
you know some kind of really horrible

1376
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:53,270
thing that's going on and they want

1377
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:55,130
answers to that do you help people with

1378
00:58:59,140 --> 00:58:56,450
that or is that something you don't do

1379
00:59:00,670 --> 00:58:59,150
so much anymore no I do I have people

1380
00:59:04,750 --> 00:59:00,680
that come to me all the time with

1381
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:04,760
missing persons murder cases I probably

1382
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:07,250
get at least five to six a month and I'm

1383
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:09,290
very happy to work with them I don't

1384
00:59:13,540 --> 00:59:11,170
charge if I'm working with a missing

1385
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:13,550
person or a murder case as far as

1386
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:15,650
working with police I love to let people

1387
00:59:19,610 --> 00:59:17,210
know the police don't want to work with

1388
00:59:22,790 --> 00:59:19,620
psychics really because what we say

1389
00:59:26,290 --> 00:59:22,800
not admissible in court so if anyone I'm

1390
00:59:30,290 --> 00:59:26,300
not a psychic detective that is you know

1391
00:59:32,450 --> 00:59:30,300
hired by law enforcement usually the

1392
00:59:35,150 --> 00:59:32,460
family will bring the case to me and

1393
00:59:36,860 --> 00:59:35,160
then I give them information and they go

1394
00:59:38,540 --> 00:59:36,870
to the detectives with the information

1395
00:59:40,910 --> 00:59:38,550
I'd given them and then they deduct

1396
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:40,920
detectives they show up at my house

1397
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:42,510
because they either think I'm a part of

1398
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:44,970
it how did I know the information and

1399
00:59:52,100 --> 00:59:48,330
then when I help them find a body then

1400
00:59:53,810 --> 00:59:52,110
they usually won't completely ride up in

1401
00:59:56,810 --> 00:59:53,820
the report that I did not say anything

1402
00:59:59,690 --> 00:59:56,820
helpful at all and then everyone's happy

1403
01:00:00,860 --> 00:59:59,700
oh yeah no I have TV producers all the

1404
01:00:02,900 --> 01:00:00,870
time saying they want to do a show with

1405
01:00:04,070 --> 01:00:02,910
you working with police I said you find

1406
01:00:06,620 --> 01:00:04,080
the police department it wants to work

1407
01:00:08,570 --> 01:00:06,630
with me and I will be happy to do it but

1408
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:08,580
it I understand I used to do some law

1409
01:00:11,570 --> 01:00:09,810
enforcement I went to the police academy

1410
01:00:14,270 --> 01:00:11,580
and I understand why they can't my son's

1411
01:00:16,070 --> 01:00:14,280
a cop I understand yeah it's not just

1412
01:00:18,020 --> 01:00:16,080
the cops it's the prosecutors too so

1413
01:00:19,820 --> 01:00:18,030
it's a complex process that people need

1414
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:19,830
to understand and as your story at the

1415
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:22,650
very beginning confirmed I love the

1416
01:00:26,420 --> 01:00:24,420
story where you say you know the cop is

1417
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:26,430
retired and comes back and comes to you

1418
01:00:31,340 --> 01:00:28,530
and says I still want to solve this case

1419
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:31,350
and I know you're legit help me do it

1420
01:00:39,500 --> 01:00:35,010
that's a pretty powerful story yeah I

1421
01:00:41,570 --> 01:00:39,510
know I honestly just kind of had to let

1422
01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:41,580
that case go because it drove me crazy

1423
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:44,310
for multiple years and it was just it's

1424
01:00:47,620 --> 01:00:46,050
not easy working with spirit let me just

1425
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:47,630
say that it's not that easy

1426
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:50,730
so again our guest today has been

1427
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:53,250
Marissa Ryan if you want to check out

1428
01:00:56,930 --> 01:00:55,410
more I'll have a link to that in the

1429
01:01:00,050 --> 01:00:56,940
show notes to our website which is

1430
01:01:03,260 --> 01:01:00,060
really simple it's Marissa ryan calm

1431
01:01:05,570 --> 01:01:03,270
spelled with 1's and people are welcome

1432
01:01:07,850 --> 01:01:05,580
to go there and how long of a backlog do

1433
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:07,860
you have right now for folks who want a

1434
01:01:11,300 --> 01:01:09,510
session are you able to get them in in a

1435
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:11,310
couple months or how does it work out

1436
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,130
for mine ok the end you know folks

1437
01:01:18,860 --> 01:01:17,040
you'll find that the best mediums are

1438
01:01:20,930 --> 01:01:18,870
going to have a similar kind of backlog

1439
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:20,940
so I would encourage people not to be

1440
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:23,970
discouraged by that but just to jump in

1441
01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:25,740
line and you know kind of see what

1442
01:01:30,590 --> 01:01:28,140
happens but by all accounts Marissa

1443
01:01:33,260 --> 01:01:30,600
you're fantastic and I just thank you so

1444
01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:33,270
much for handling these kind of

1445
01:01:36,830 --> 01:01:35,310
questions that I'm sure maybe I've

1446
01:01:39,590 --> 01:01:36,840
seemed a little bit off the wall at

1447
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:39,600
times but were really really great so I

1448
01:01:43,940 --> 01:01:42,000
appreciate it thank you Alex for having

1449
01:01:47,450 --> 01:01:43,950
me on it's been great and a wonderful

1450
01:01:50,030 --> 01:01:47,460
question thanks again to Marissa Ryan

1451
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:50,040
for joining me today on skeptic Oh the

1452
01:01:54,650 --> 01:01:51,930
one question I'd have to tee up from

1453
01:01:59,300 --> 01:01:54,660
this interview is to what extent should

1454
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,310
we rely on slash trust what mediums tell

1455
01:02:02,990 --> 01:02:01,440
us that's a broad question because I

1456
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:03,000
want to have a broad answer or a broad

1457
01:02:07,580 --> 01:02:05,130
discussion about all the possibilities

1458
01:02:10,550 --> 01:02:07,590
you know I gave you an example of some

1459
01:02:12,500 --> 01:02:10,560
personal stuff that she gave me that

1460
01:02:16,070 --> 01:02:12,510
just really resonated with me and I

1461
01:02:19,030 --> 01:02:16,080
trust that but does that mean I trust

1462
01:02:21,710 --> 01:02:19,040
her on all the other big-picture stuff

1463
01:02:24,620 --> 01:02:21,720
well not necessarily in my case because

1464
01:02:27,140 --> 01:02:24,630
I have a bunch of other contradictory

1465
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:27,150
evidence from other people that makes me

1466
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:30,960
wonder not that Marissa is wrong but

1467
01:02:36,350 --> 01:02:33,210
that there may be another way of

1468
01:02:39,410 --> 01:02:36,360
understanding how multiple people can be

1469
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:39,420
right that multiple points of view can

1470
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:42,240
be right about this so that's really

1471
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:44,970
kind of an interesting question to toss

1472
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:46,650
back and forth because I think it could

1473
01:02:50,860 --> 01:02:48,720
go a lot of different ways and I think

1474
01:02:54,910 --> 01:02:50,870
it's the kind of thing that we should

1475
01:02:58,640 --> 01:02:54,920
follow up on in skeptic oh and do future

1476
01:03:00,530 --> 01:02:58,650
interviews and shows about but as I was

1477
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,540
saying at the beginning you know if we

1478
01:03:04,790 --> 01:03:02,400
come together as a community I think we

1479
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:04,800
can better figure out what's already

1480
01:03:11,420 --> 01:03:07,530
going on in that area what's being said

1481
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:11,430
and then what we might be able to add to

1482
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:14,010
that discussion so those are some of my

1483
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:16,110
thoughts on where I'd like to take it so

1484
01:03:19,550 --> 01:03:17,730
as I said at the beginning connect with

1485
01:03:20,750 --> 01:03:19,560
me let's figure that out a place to do

1486
01:03:24,860 --> 01:03:20,760
it is of course through the skeptical

1487
01:03:27,380 --> 01:03:24,870
website ske P tik oat calm or you'll

1488
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:27,390
find links to all the good stuff

1489
01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:29,010
including all the past shows that you

1490
01:03:33,410 --> 01:03:31,110
can download for free and enjoy a

1491
01:03:35,390 --> 01:03:33,420
hopefully and listen to so thanks for

1492
01:03:37,820 --> 01:03:35,400
watching this video if it wasn't really

1493
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:37,830
a video but just an audio stored as a

1494
01:03:41,570 --> 01:03:39,570
video well I apologize but there's more

1495
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:41,580
videos out there as well but please

1496
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:43,530
check out the skeptical web site you can

1497
01:03:47,030 --> 01:03:45,090
see it here we cover a lot of different

1498
01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:47,040
stuff you might be interested in

1499
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:49,710
relating to controversial science and

1500
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:52,530
spirituality a lot of shows up there

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01:03:58,550 --> 01:03:55,680
over 350 of them or so all free all

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available for download so do check it